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1. Great case, extremely complicated. Nightmare for anyone.

2. If you feared BIPAP would kill pt, wouldn’t possible pressure after intubation be similar? Might have tried “lowish” BIPAP settings to hopefully improve pulm mechanics, decrease work of breathing, lower PaCO2

3. Likely deterioration was induction of anesthesia, not positive pressure. As PICU doc and pediatric anesthesiologist, would have strongly considered blind nasal intubation. Have had luck w teenagers in severe heart failure literally inhaling endotracheal tube w gasping respiratory effort, then starting gentle positive pressure, rate 10-12, PEEP 5-ish and inspiratory time 1s or less to let Fontan heart fill passively. If rate = 10/min and I-time is 1s, then 10s of the 60s resp cycle is inspiration and 50s allows no effect from positive pressure except minimal PEEP that hopefully helps lungs more than it hurts heart.

4. Fontan patients can and do tolerate positive pressure. In fact, a successful Fontan post-op returns to PICU anesthetized, on ventilatory settings not unlike mentioned above…and pt has normal blood pressure, heart rate.

5. Getting beyond my expertise, but positive pressure obviously can impair venous filling, a problem for Fontan patients. The positive pressure can actually help the failing ventricle by “reducing afterload” by functionally compressing ventricle and facilitating ejection during the judicious use of “just enough” positive pressure balanced with intervals allowing venous return.

6. I once had Fontan pt w poor ventricular function on mechanical ventilation and some pressors. Pt was “stable”; I watched my colleague wean and extubate pt with idea that “Fontans do better w spontaneous ventilation”. Pt immediately deteriorated, but was fortunately able to be re-intubated and quickly stabilize.

7. In retrospect, I think BIPAP as temporizing measure while getting pressors started at low dose, BIPAP buying time while preparing for blind nasal intubation…all biased by knowing that induction agents or induction itself resulted in immediate cardiac arrest.

8. I am going to forward to a pediatric anesthesia forum for their more expert comments.

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